tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post244503732083732910..comments2024-01-14T16:29:16.030-05:00Comments on killing Mother: Science is Neither Subjective nor Liberal – Creationism, Intelligent Design and the Religious Brainwashing of American Childrenkilling Motherhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07029992871936764888noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-86297373482397844542011-06-18T08:01:40.741-04:002011-06-18T08:01:40.741-04:00Anonymous, your empire concept is one I agree with...Anonymous, your empire concept is one I agree with. America certainly was founded on imperialist ideals, with all of Europe coming across the ocean in droves to rape and pillage. Then we picked up where the British and Spanish left off after they left. This is our cultural heritage.killing Motherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07029992871936764888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-45544352193336932612011-06-18T01:37:03.865-04:002011-06-18T01:37:03.865-04:00Well, in america if you look at it one way, the id...Well, in america if you look at it one way, the idea of raping the land for private gain and bounty is an old and long held position (hence "conservative") by the WASPs who originally settled here. In fact it could be argued that america was founded in large part to be an empire, created in order to raise a continental army which could be used to expand and conquer the rest of the continent.<br /><br />And of course almost all media these days is designed to retard critical thinking, which is why people can't seem to grasp any of the truth about these things.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-23580548932086385832011-05-22T11:17:54.472-04:002011-05-22T11:17:54.472-04:00Anonymous, Start a blog:) I like your point about ...Anonymous, Start a blog:) I like your point about conservatives not "conserving" but "consuming." Good one! I might give that some thought. Thanks.killing Motherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07029992871936764888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-33862421565432847682011-05-22T10:51:52.337-04:002011-05-22T10:51:52.337-04:00Our right wing anti-rational fall-in-liners addres...Our right wing anti-rational fall-in-liners address themselves as conservatives. Your distinction between science as critical thinking and orthodoxy as submission or heresy makes it clear that "Reactionaries" names them better. They do not conserve. They consume. But I have not read the word "Reactionary" anywhere on the web. How would I go about spreading that word?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-85695192582109087792011-05-17T21:30:26.227-04:002011-05-17T21:30:26.227-04:00Eam, very good points if you ask me. I recommend ...Eam, very good points if you ask me. I recommend your reading Jerry Mander who's been speaking to these things for many years now. He talks about how technology is introduced to the general public with no debate whatsoever and becomes entrenched into our consumerist culture. That's some highfalutin words for money-making propaganda, I believe.<br /><br />Three comments in a row is too much isn't it? Sorry.tsisageyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-28163173995498936282011-05-17T21:15:45.144-04:002011-05-17T21:15:45.144-04:00P.S. Thank you for posting Rhymer's words. A...P.S. Thank you for posting Rhymer's words. And thank you, Rhymer.tsisageyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-18144462735595990222011-05-17T21:13:55.761-04:002011-05-17T21:13:55.761-04:00killing Mother, I can't tell you how long I...killing Mother, I can't tell you how long I've sat here typing and thinking about what I wanted to say. At first, my comment became a novel, such was it's too-much-info quality. I canceled that one then tried to simplify, but no good. <br /><br />I guess I'm not supposed to speak on this. You said it best, killing Mother.<br /><br />If I ever do settle on a good enough comment, I hope it's okay to come back here even though time has passed.tsisageyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-1949936297185605952011-05-17T11:07:02.549-04:002011-05-17T11:07:02.549-04:00Dear Followers and Readers,
I was very thankful fo...Dear Followers and Readers,<br />I was very thankful for all the wonderful insights and comments you posted for this piece. Unfortunately, Blogger ate them:(, and I fear they are lost forever in cyberspace. I copied and pasted one of the missing comments from my inbox below because I couldn't bear to lose it. Thanks again Rhymer.<br /><br />"It's not nice to fool Mother Nature"<br /><br />Economics, called "the dismal science",<br />too often is used in defiance<br />...of natural law,<br />...and so its great flaw<br />will earn punishment for noncompliance.<br /><br />An unholy alliance is here,<br />with Republicans stirring up fear,<br />...as the religious right<br />...and capitalists unite<br />blaming others, they make shit appear.<br /><br />Pardon my language, but the word fits and the pun is intended.<br /><br />It is a lot more tragic than comic to note that too many conservatives oppose conservation, too many people on the religious right don't care enough about God's Creation to try to save it, and too many of the truly rich and powerful actively work to make things worse.<br /><br />I know that the outlook is grim,<br />and together, we're out on a limb,<br />...but may I suggest<br />...that we not get depressed,<br />work together with vigor and vim.killing Motherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07029992871936764888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-81136239757552775712011-05-17T10:54:19.865-04:002011-05-17T10:54:19.865-04:00Eam, Your points are all valid. Thank you for your...Eam, Your points are all valid. Thank you for your insight.killing Motherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07029992871936764888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-42924066367341181122011-05-17T09:37:54.829-04:002011-05-17T09:37:54.829-04:00Thanks again for a very thoughtful post. While I a...Thanks again for a very thoughtful post. While I agree with your point of view, I think one can critique science using some of the same points you make here. "The difference between science and faith is that science questions." True, but those engaged in science often do not question where their research is leading or whether the "benefit" that will accrue to humans (because it's always about the benefit to humans, as opposed to other life on earth) will have any negative effects.<br /><br />Of course those doing the research can't really always say or imagine what the negative effects might be because the research is done in isolation. They pull out single factors and focus on those. Since life is complex we can't imagine what might happen if we introduce one change into that complexity.<br /><br />Ironically the denial of climate change is not just done by religious kooks but by those who have absolute faith in the scientific method. They believe scientists will be able to figure out the problem and solve it. Of course, climate change to the extent that it's human induced would not have been possible without scientific achievements.Eamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10579282939838836986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-65138632706531278222011-05-16T21:21:43.460-04:002011-05-16T21:21:43.460-04:00tsisageya, I am still looking forward to your thou...tsisageya, I am still looking forward to your thoughtful insights.killing Motherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07029992871936764888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-37847649338736041402011-05-11T21:40:26.003-04:002011-05-11T21:40:26.003-04:00Thank you, killing Mother, for the link. Your ess...Thank you, killing Mother, for the link. Your essays inspire me to write my little rhymes, and I like how you back them up with links to supporting documents.Rhymernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-64901635310961204692011-05-11T21:35:21.638-04:002011-05-11T21:35:21.638-04:00Excellent points Rhymer. I think it is worth notin...Excellent points Rhymer. I think it is worth noting that the above are hallmarks of the neoliberal capitalist economic model and that other economic models do exist. Unfortunately, neither our "left" or our "right" in the United States are willing to discuss any of them. And I am not necessarily talking about socialism or communism (although certain aspects of each of these would certainly be preferrable to the status quo). For all the mantra of "free" trade, it would seem none of the proponents actually read Adam Smith. Smith's liberal economy did not include corporations and also did not allow for any "externalities." Fodder for further blog posts. Thanks.killing Motherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07029992871936764888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-47091094607993064362011-05-11T21:15:28.307-04:002011-05-11T21:15:28.307-04:00Great flaws in economics:
1. Growth is always goo...Great flaws in economics:<br /><br />1. Growth is always good. Yeah, right, but there are limits and it hurts to hit them, especially at high speed.<br />2. The Tragedy of the Commons. Discussed earlier on this blog.<br />3. The rich and powerful conduct class warfare against the middle class and poor, increasing the inequality in distribution of wealth and income.<br />4. Boom and bust is built into capitalism.Rhymernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-16285370357903777742011-05-11T20:46:50.616-04:002011-05-11T20:46:50.616-04:00kalivin, something will give one way or another. A...kalivin, something will give one way or another. At the end of the day, if we use our powers of reason, we will save our own species from extinction, otherwise, Earth will prevail quite nicely without us.<br /><br />Rhymer, I am not adverse to profanity when it is fitting:) As always, your words sum up hundreds of mine with only a few. As to your last point, check out a recent article in Orion by Derrick Jensen. He makes the same point - Earth is worth fighting for.<br /><br />http://www.orionmagazine.org/index.php/articles/article/6266killing Motherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07029992871936764888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-73763752329058477512011-05-11T18:09:58.953-04:002011-05-11T18:09:58.953-04:00I have much to say. I just can't type it righ...I have much to say. I just can't type it right now. <br /><br />I'm thinking.tsisageyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-17357823920184611902011-05-11T15:21:47.030-04:002011-05-11T15:21:47.030-04:00"It's not nice to fool Mother Nature"..."It's not nice to fool Mother Nature"<br /><br />Economics, called "the dismal science",<br />too often is used in defiance<br />...of natural law,<br />...and so its great flaw<br />will earn punishment for noncompliance.<br /><br />An unholy alliance is here,<br />with Republicans stirring up fear,<br />...as the religious right<br />...and capitalists unite<br />blaming others, they make shit appear.<br /><br />Pardon my language, but the word fits and the pun is intended.<br /><br />It is a lot more tragic than comic to note that too many conservatives oppose conservation, too many people on the religious right don't care enough about God's Creation to try to save it, and too many of the truly rich and powerful actively work to make things worse.<br /><br />I know that the outlook is grim,<br />and together, we're out on a limb,<br />...but may I suggest<br />...that we not get depressed,<br />work together with vigor and vim.Rhymernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-45340451818881962752011-05-11T10:51:38.566-04:002011-05-11T10:51:38.566-04:00Oh, ok, I thought you were saying in your blog tha...Oh, ok, I thought you were saying in your blog that science is objective and that there is no subjectivity involved in their observations.<br /><br />But, yeah, science does try its best to be as objective as possible to find truth unlike religion.<br /><br />Sometimes I feel like we are sill in the Dark Ages...or we're in another one.<br /><br />Hopefully some big- and I mean really big- change will come soon to push humanity forward. I feel like there is because it seems we are reaching a breaking point in well...everything. Or perhaps we will kill ourselves in our stupidity, it could go either way.kalivinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09513015999750726801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-83195984214417561352011-05-10T16:03:37.112-04:002011-05-10T16:03:37.112-04:00kalivin, I am sorry but the information about Loui...kalivin, I am sorry but the information about Louisiana is true. Sign the petition. Maybe it will help. You are correct that science is limited by the ability of scientists to observe and understand what they observe. My point is that the basic scientific method incorporates rules to make every effort at objectivity. This attitude is diametrically opposed to the religious world view. We are mere biological beings, limited by our insignificance in the universe in our ability to perceive reality, but at least we should have the common sense to dismiss that which we know to be blatantly false. Good luck with your studies! The world needs more educated people.killing Motherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07029992871936764888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-61808882327693501042011-05-10T15:34:02.930-04:002011-05-10T15:34:02.930-04:00Oh, wait, I forgot that I wanted to say something ...Oh, wait, I forgot that I wanted to say something else.<br /><br />I just wanted to say that a lot of science is actually subjective because scientists are making observations based on their limited perceptions. The human mind is not capable of understanding all of reality. <br /><br />Our minds are kinda of like a filtering machine. We filter parts of reality with the more beliefs we have. And all humans have countless number of beliefs limiting our ability to understand reality. So it is like we are all living in an illusion.<br /><br />I would expand more on this, but then I would be getting into spirituality and that can't be proven with physical evidence.kalivinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09513015999750726801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-89088296986960362032011-05-10T15:10:28.155-04:002011-05-10T15:10:28.155-04:00Wait just a minute. Is the thing about Louisiana t...Wait just a minute. Is the thing about Louisiana true? I do live in Louisiana, but I don't watch TV anymore because to me it is a propaganda machine.<br /><br />But please tell me this isn't true, I don't want to believe we are really this insane. I keep hoping we will realize how stupid and insane we are, but with things like this it seems we never will.<br /><br />This is why I hate this state. I'm glad to have finally graduated high school and now off to college to major in Environmental Science.<br /><br />Though unfortunately, my baby sister just started school, and I already don't like what I hear when she comes home. She talks about God and heaven and hell. She even told me one time when I mentioned that I lied about something that I would go to hell for that. <br /><br />It broke my heart, so I tried to tell her that God is actually everything meaning we are all one. So he would never send us to hell.<br /><br />Fortunately she easily took up the idea of God being everything, but won't let go of the idea of hell and heaven. And my mom won't tell her anything differently because she's Catholic herself, so she actually encourages her.<br /><br />I can only hope she questions these beliefs when she gets older like I did, but I really don't need the schools more of this religious propaganda on her. It will only make it harder for her to question what she is told.<br /><br />Ah, well, this is getting long, so I am going to end it here.kalivinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09513015999750726801noreply@blogger.com