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I base the white racial supremacy as a belief on the actual wording in Mormon scriptures. Smith in a number of passages describes people of dark skin as unfavored by God, while white is clearly the desired color. Please see the other posts for clarification.killing Motherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07029992871936764888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-68377001616635347832012-08-27T21:22:15.763-04:002012-08-27T21:22:15.763-04:00I don't know why this lists me as unknown when...I don't know why this lists me as unknown when I had to sign in with Google to post. My name is Lindalee Stahlman Volmert. I saw a link to your blog on a FB friends page. Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15063809114608824637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-12446190492732916932012-08-27T21:18:25.215-04:002012-08-27T21:18:25.215-04:00I am exmormon. I saw a couple errors: the secret...I am exmormon. I saw a couple errors: the secret name is not give to every adult Mormon. It is given when you go through the temple for the first time. When I was LDS (the proper term), I believed it was your true name. Was very disappointed to learn that everyone going through the temple on the same day gets the same name.<br />Also, IIRC, the youngest of Joseph Smith's wives was 14-not 12. Todd Compton has a book on the wives of JS where this can be checked. <br />On the idea of white racial supremacy as a belief: do you believe this was the case because Africans could not hold the priesthood until 1978? If so, you are wrong-notice I said Africans-not blacks. Some people with black skin (Hawaiian Island natives, Samoans, and probably some others) could hold the priesthood prior to 1978. Also in the early days of the LDS church there was some Africans who held the priesthood. IIRC, one reason the priesthood was later withdrawn from Africans was political-the Mormons were driven out of areas because they were an unified voting block and were anti-slavery. <br /> I was at BYU 1975-78. An African-American was elected vice president of the student body back before they had the priesthood. Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15063809114608824637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-42469250582580493632012-08-27T09:59:14.895-04:002012-08-27T09:59:14.895-04:00Totally agree with your suggestion... Very nice po...Totally agree with your suggestion... Very nice post and good information here... Thanks for posting that....Bollywood Songshttp://bollywoodque.com/IndianMovies/bollywood-songsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-73160690827366393212012-07-04T10:26:47.320-04:002012-07-04T10:26:47.320-04:00Steve, Please see my response (part I). I will loo...Steve, Please see my response (part I). I will look forward to a continuing discussion. <br /><br />http://killingmother.blogspot.com/2012/07/mitt-and-mormons-part-iv-clarifying.htmlkilling Motherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07029992871936764888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-87203032225489839382012-06-30T17:24:07.705-04:002012-06-30T17:24:07.705-04:00Steve,
I sincerely appreciate the great lengths yo...Steve,<br />I sincerely appreciate the great lengths you have gone to to clarify what you believe to be misrepresentations in my post. Thank you also for your offer to clarify any further questions. It might take me a few days to digest all of your material, but I am sure I will want to ask some questions. Thank you for your openness and willingness to communicate.killing Motherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07029992871936764888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-65653737563659461512012-06-30T14:29:24.392-04:002012-06-30T14:29:24.392-04:00The next sections in this post are so full of slan...The next sections in this post are so full of slander and straight up lies that it really is going to take far too long to go through this sentence by sentence. For example, “The number of wives a man secured, he reasoned, reflected his favor with God” is a complete lie. “Smith used his position of power to gain sexual access to every woman he desired” is an ignorant and slanderous explanation for polygamy—most scholars agree that the large majority of his “marriages” or sealings did not involve sexual relations at all. And then later, your assertion that somehow men get into heaven on their own merits and women rely on their husbands is also a straight up lie and misrepresentation of Mormon belief. Mormons believe in several degrees of heaven, but in order to obtain the highest a man and woman must be married and have their marriage sealed for eternity by one in authority and love and respect each other and grow as one in that marriage. In this way both men and women are co-dependent on one another to achieve the highest degree of happiness (or heaven) in the next life. Each of your other accusations of being sexist are just as unfounded.<br /><br />It is obvious at this point to someone with a solid understanding of Mormonism that either you have a complete bias or hate against Mormons, or that your sources come from enemies of the church who have spent decades scouring through our materials and historical records to nit-pick half-truths, mostly out of context, to paint some sort of dark and sinister story line about Mormon doctrine and history. I am inclined to believe the latter, and that your article was unintentionally ignorant and biased, since you have admitted your lack of experience with Mormons and several of your statements (e.g “The more I read about them, the more I realized how tightly controlled they are as a group. Commenting on a liberal blog would probably not be allowed”) show that you really don’t know much about Mormons in general – definitely not enough for you to create such a nit-picked deceptive article all on your own. (By the way, there is no restriction to my knowledge on commenting on blogs, and furthermore there are a good chunk of Mormons who would consider themselves to be politically liberal). <br /> <br />There is a complete lack of unbiased research here, and I’m not trying to be rude at all, but just to point out how it looks to someone familiar with the subject – I would consider the lack of intellectual integrity on the subject to be on par or greater than someone who tries to explain evolution only through resources found on young earth creationist websites or opinions – which I know is saying a lot. The picture of a dark sinister mysterious group is so far from the truth it would almost be laughable, except for the fact that some people who continue to ignorantly buy into such things – maybe stemming from the often innate fear of “otherness” that has caused other forms of bigotry and fear-mongering in the past, like racism. Yet, anybody can search for a local meetinghouse closest to your area on mormon.org and attend even once to quickly dispel such a picture. I would even encourage that you do attend a meeting or two, just for learning sake, as visitors are always welcome. If this is part of some multi-series of posts on Mormonism, I would suggest using more legitimate resources starting with mormon.org and/or lds.org, and would even suggest meeting with a missionary in your area. I’ve already invested so much writing this (much longer than I originally intended) that I would be happy to take any questions as well. If you or anyone else wishes, feel free to email me at sfellows9@gmail.com. Hope this helps!<br /><br />Your friend, <br />SteveStevenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00758380516720231312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-30333330704574786882012-06-30T14:28:43.373-04:002012-06-30T14:28:43.373-04:00“Yet it would seem that some of Mormonism’s basic ...“Yet it would seem that some of Mormonism’s basic tenants are distinctly at odds with the basic values upon which the United States was founded, including but not limited to free thought, separation of church and state, respect for diversity of opinions, equality and transparency.” Not sure where these ideas are coming from, but in my relatively long experience in the church I would say quite the opposite, that these are in fact all basic values that we share with the founding of the United States. As just a partial example, Joseph Smith in our early church history, in an effort to explain our basic tenants wrote 13 articles of faith (see https://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/a-of-f/1?lang=eng). Particularly relevant to the above assertions are articles 11-13:<br />“ 11 We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.<br /> 12 We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.<br /> 13 We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.”<br /><br />“the fact that the Mormon faith is shielded by a deliberate veil of mystery” Mormon.org is especially designed to help those who are trying to learn more about our faith. We have one of the most active proselytizing efforts in the world, and more than 50,000 missionaries all over the world who would be happy to sit down with you and go over any questions or concerns that you might ever have. I would say that we are trying to dispel any myths or mysteries about our faith and to be as transparent as possible. If you for some reason would be uncomfortable sitting down with a Mormon missionary, chats are available online at Mormon.org where you can feel free to ask questions. There are so many thousands of resources provided—books, articles, magazines, websites, blogs, missionaries, members, etc.--that there should be no need to feel like there is some sort of shield/barrier.<br /><br />“Temple admission is restricted exclusively to church members who have “recommend” status, a qualification that is awarded only to those who tithe at least 10% of their annual incomes and swear to absolute, unquestioning dedication to the church and its teachings. Consequently, much of what transpires within the actual ritual of the church is unavailable to scrutiny.” I’ve never been suggested to me to have unquestioning dedication, much less as a requirement to obtain a temple recommend. (Questions include whether you are honest with other people, live a chaste life, refrain from smoking and alcohol, pay tithing, and whether you believe in Christ.) On the contrary, we are told to pray and have any truth taught in the church confirmed for ourselves, to gain a personal knowledge of truth and form our own opinions.Stevenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00758380516720231312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-80375804432238538562012-06-30T14:27:51.044-04:002012-06-30T14:27:51.044-04:00I just randomly ran into this blog post through Go...I just randomly ran into this blog post through Google, and since I have a little bit of time on my hands, and there have been some comments or requests for a response from a Mormon on this post, I don’t mind responding. Just a little background info—I am a young entrepreneur, my wife is a student finishing up her master’s degree, and we have a little baby girl almost 8 months old. I love composing music, studying science, and playing most sports—but especially soccer. I was baptized a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints at a young age and have been a member for close to 20 years. I did serve a full time mission for the church a while back at 19-21 years old, but currently do not hold any special or authoritative position in the church in which I could speak officially for the church. For the most part, I’m just a normal guy and I’ll do my best to “weigh in and correct or clarify any misrepresentations [the author might have made]” from just my own personal standpoint as a Mormon. Quickly going through, here are some of the things the stick out to me as misrepresented or wrong:<br /><br />“readily overturned major doctrinal tenants on polygamy and a belief in white racial supremacy in the interest of political expediency.” There are a few loaded issues with this statement. The doctrines or policies I believe you were referencing were not overturned readily, and from a Mormon perspective definitely not out of political expediency. And there was definitely never an accepted belief in white racial supremacy. Mormons believe in continuing revelation through our leaders who we sustain as prophets, seers, and revelators. If you are familiar with any revelation found in the LDS cannon, including the Bible, it is more often than not given in a response to a particular question weighing on the mind of God’s people. God cannot answer a question if it is not asked. It should not be surprising then that in the late 1800’s when Mormon’s were being heavily persecuted over polygamy that the Prophet leading the church would inquire concerning its future, or that during the civil rights movement the Prophet would inquire about the policy of the priesthood for those of African descent. The latter issue arose from a common early American belief that African’s are the descendents of Ham, who Noah cursed as to the Priesthood. While for a time generally accepted, it was never accepted as official LDS doctrine. In time God revealed that in fact, all worthy males could be ordained to the Priesthood, and the policy was overturned. That there were probably members who held incorrect and ignorant views on race is more than likely, but this of course is hardly unique to Mormons in American history. I am personally grateful that God has given us prophets who help us as a people and a church to course correct and leave behind former ignorance.Stevenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00758380516720231312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-1951829867838089202012-06-21T08:02:04.721-04:002012-06-21T08:02:04.721-04:00englishemporium, Great Blog! Alas, I think your pr...englishemporium, Great Blog! Alas, I think your prediction will be correct about increased publicity, even if negative, helping rather than hurting Romney's cause. An interesting piece of information is that when the media started reporting on the lack of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, more people started believing in them. Sigh. I won't be at PNWA this year. I will be starting a major project before the end of the summer probably, and it will be consuming all of my time. Maybe next year:)killing Motherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07029992871936764888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-63416749045054567702012-06-20T11:52:25.318-04:002012-06-20T11:52:25.318-04:00I wonder if the play, The Book of Mormon will help...I wonder if the play, The Book of Mormon will help or hurt Romney's cause. As they say in book publishing, bad reviews still get the word out. So it might help him more than hurt him.<br /><br />I live in Mormon country, but will be attending the PNWA conference this year. See you there maybe?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-19867178742339671992012-06-18T13:58:34.198-04:002012-06-18T13:58:34.198-04:00I tried sending you an e-mail, but it said an erro...I tried sending you an e-mail, but it said an error has occurred and that it didn't send.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-65450582152716362782012-06-17T21:15:48.097-04:002012-06-17T21:15:48.097-04:00This is the first time I have heard about the plig...This is the first time I have heard about the plight of poor Lennox. I think we can both agree the tragedy of Lennox is a miscarriage of justice. If links to this blog appear in association with Lennox, somebody else posted them. I am not associated with that cause. If you are a member of the LDS church, I would welcome any critique you can offer of this post. Please feel free to correct any misrepresentations you think I may have offered.killing Motherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07029992871936764888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-33634752789379018202012-06-17T21:02:59.743-04:002012-06-17T21:02:59.743-04:00http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joan-k-smith/an-outr...http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joan-k-smith/an-outrage-in-belfast-the_b_1504739.html<br />????>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-36595529303785288462012-06-17T11:58:01.876-04:002012-06-17T11:58:01.876-04:00Anonymous, Your comment is cryptic. I am intrigued...Anonymous, Your comment is cryptic. I am intrigued. Can you please clarify your reference to Lennox? Dogs? And what does being a Democrat (Which btw I am not) have to do with a historical analysis of the LDS church?killing Motherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07029992871936764888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-21643856112696296132012-06-17T11:40:11.479-04:002012-06-17T11:40:11.479-04:00I just found this article via your good articles r...I just found this article via your good articles regarding Lennox.... I would suggest you stick to dog issues. You have an apparent bias agaisnt Mormons... Probably being a life long democrat. I would take this link off of any you have for Lennox.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-53406865877830126082012-06-16T22:41:41.315-04:002012-06-16T22:41:41.315-04:00Concernicus, Always good to hear from you. Wouldn&...Concernicus, Always good to hear from you. Wouldn't it be nice if every candidate could be judged based on his platform rather than his personality, pocketbook or religious affiliation? Oh well, we can but dream.killing Motherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07029992871936764888noreply@blogger.com